Vantte Kentta

Vantte Kentta

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    • #8843

      Hi guys, and sure John, happy to be of assistance;

      Lets forget infinite, lets just talk where we are today, where we are 2050 by the very best of predictions, and where we are going to be 2100. After that, well, its no longer in our hands. The first problem of information, more social in nature than mathematical, is that our language and concepts become entangled, and don´t provide much of a tool for co-operation. We can´t end social problems like poverty, unemployment or prisons by opinions, we should have facts. But where do we get facts concerning data/information social in its nature?

      To get a clearer picture about the difference of information types; what information is more mathematical than social by its nature? At the moment you are using a computer, do you know how to build one? From scratch, from the very basic raw materials?

      We happily use computers, watch tv, fly with jets, work in skyscrapers and drive in Nissan Leafs, but we don´t have the remotest of possibilities of building one ourselves (from the basic raw materials). The knowledge of building a satellite or a hadron collider is engulfed in our society, our culture, our civilization. We are just happy to use the fruits our civilization provides for us. The information more mathematical in nature becomes knowledge that we can build upon like Legos. Finally, we can build Apple iPads, they are indistinguishable from magic, I say.

      Hopefully we could also build upon certain bricks of facts when that information is more social, than mathematical, by nature.

      In our culture today, as a global super civilization, we have a number of methods how to acquire facts, the method of science first among them. Love science. The house rules of science: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

      But science has done a poor job of disseminating information that is more social than mathematical by nature.

      Our ability to use computers or fly with jets comes from the METHOD of science. That method provides us with ever increasing capabilities to describe and impact reality. Mathematical, physical, chemical facts of nature.

      To spread the fruits of science we use a free market economy which makes change easy. “Bad” companies go bankrupt and “good” companies flourish. Its called the creative destruction of Capitalism. Our free market economy is a METHOD of achieving social change; 70% of Fortune 1000 companies will have changed in 15y.
      http://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanfurr/2011/04/21/big-business-the-end-is-near/

      Now for the “catastrophic lack of information analyzing capabilities”..

      How do we develop the governmental institutions, organizations, agencies and/or their mandates?

      How do we develop the “free market economy”?

      How do we develop “Democracy”?

      How do we develop international organizations and agencies, and/or their mandates?

      How do we mix, develop and combine these; http://www.ted.com/

      We are a long way from an zero footprint economy, yes we are. Agreed. BUT should that hinder us from working towards the goal of a zero footprint economy, (for the sake of future generations) hopefully not. Or should the fact that we have a long way to go, hinder us from taking the first step, the second step and the third step, hopefully not.

      All of this means that we lack capabilities to analyze information that is social in its nature. Proof? Well, Social Impact Bonds will be a multibillion dollar industry in 2014. The very nature of Social Impact Bonds implies governmental failure to achieve goals (to develop the governmental organizations and their mandates). Because Social Impact Bonds will have billions of dollars in 2014 is a proof that we lack the capability to analyze data/ information social by its nature. But at the same time Social Impact Bonds and Green Impact Bonds also represent a clear development in our capabilities to analyze socially based information. To get the money from the investors, firstly they must predict an Impact, secondly that impact must be verifiable, calculable, certifiable and reportable. That IS a METHOD that provides us with ever increasing capabilities to describe and impact reality. There fore more valuable than any single Social Impact Bond or Green Impact Bond is the METHOD by which it is developed and then implemented and finally verified and certified.

      But in my opinion we can not develop the METHOD of certifying or verifying Social Impact Bonds or Green Impact Bonds if we don´t recognize that it is the FIRST METHOD of analyzing social data and information comprehensibly. Only then can we start down the path of perfecting that method.

      What all of this means? Well, Climate Change, Overpopulation, technological hazards like Nuclear or nanobots, are social in their nature, to be able to implement the dozens, hundreds or thousands of ingenious solutions we already posses, we must be ably to reach the gap of NOT having a METHOD of analyzing data social in its nature, and having a certified way of reaching a SOCIAL IMPACT.

      – Cheers!

    • #8841

      Hi guys (and John),

      Overpopulation is clearly THE issue for John, so, lets examine the concept and the problem of overpopulation a bit further.

      Here is Hans Rosling making a case about global population growth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTznEIZRkLg

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vahQwO6iHpE

      So, we are clearly NOT dealing with a Malthusian catastrophe (uncontrollable population growth), the problem we are actually dealing with is:
      A. How to sustainably increase the living standards of 9-10 billion people (we are NOT dealing with a population of infinity!).
      B. How to turn population growth in to zero or negative population growth as fast/soon/efficiently as possible. It is already happening, but how can we support this trend?

      For A. the answer should be simple: zero impact/ footprint products and services. And for B. I´d have to say a combination of
      – Free education to all 11 – 25y. women in Africa and Asia (first)
      – Easy access to Microfinance for all women entrepreneurs in Africa and Asia (first).

      What would those goals accomplish? All women about to have babies or planning for the future having other things on their mind, like education and starting a business, well, take a look at Japans demographics it gives a hint about what those goals accomplish.

      Now, those goals seem otherworldly at first glance, so lets examine those goals a bit further. Are we talking about goals that are utterly unattainable?

      As we speak three quarters of the world already have mobile phone access. http://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2012/07/17/mobile-phone-access-reaches-three-quarters-planets-population

      More People Have Cell Phones Than Toilets, U.N. Study Shows

      Very soon that number will be 99%.

      And as we speak most schools, universities and other organizations are already developing Distance Learning courses and lectures.

      Microfinance is booming! If you haven´t checked out Kiva loans by now, I strongly recommend doing so: http://www.kiva.org/

      Great vid; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0ci3BExMB4

      Conclusion; the world is already fast approaching the goals mentioned above!

      And finally for the last part, is it possible to have 9-10 billion people with higher living standards than today but with zero footprint? It is counter-intuitive, weird, alien and strange, BUT well Yes it is.
      http://www.globalconreview.com/innovation/blue-revolution-how-floating1-cities-could-house90/

      http://ecowatch.com/2014/01/04/rooftop-farm-new-york-city-organic-produce/

      http://www.globalconreview.com/innovation/worlds-first-vertical-forests-bloom-milan2towers66/

      And for the moral obligation; the world is changing very very fast right now,
      http://moralground.com/
      http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/01/03/1265854/-The-Boulevard-Of-Climate-Catastrophe-Humanity-s-Path-To-Perdition-The-Moral-Imperative-To-Act
      http://www.thenation.com/article/177614/coming-instant-planetary-emergency

      so, the absolutely last thing to do at the most important time in the history of our species, would be smug and “know” what works and what doesn´t work. One thing should be clear by now, nobody owns a copy of a definitive “Handbook of system change”. The only sane, logical and moral thing to do is to develop the number of solutions we already got, and make them a reality bit by bit.

      The problems ARE solvable, the world IS changing, the solutions ALREADY exist, we just need to be making these solutions a reality, not denying (the problems or) any solutions exist. At the most important time in the history of history, please lets at least try to be a part of the solution, not the problem.

      – Cheers!

    • #8829

      Hi Guys,

      The real problem of continued human survival is actually: “A information processing problem!”

      Please, let me make my case before judging climate change or the population bomb to be the “real” problem.

      We already posses a multitude of absolutely GREAT solutions to ALL known ailments known today. We can actually solve everything with the ingenious ideas people have made already. The real problem is how do we finance, implement and develop, mix, combine and execute these dozens, if not hundreds of ingenious ideas we already posses. The real problem is an “Information processing problem”.

      Did you know about Solar FREAKIN´ Roadways? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlTA3rnpgzU

      or about a Litre of Light? http://aliteroflight.org/

      Or the other hundreds if not thousands of ideas we already got. http://www.gtne.org/

      Granted, those ideas in themselves wont fix everything (or anything), but imagine if you could, the consequences of developing, mixing and combining these hundreds of ingenious ideas.

      Wondering how to finance all of this? Well that´s also covered by a number of ingenious ideas. http://blindspot.org.uk/seventh-policy-switch/ or this http://climatecolab.org/web/guest/plans/-/plans/contestId/1300401/planId/307

      First entering the epoch where the species controls the entire planet (in our case it is called the Anthropocene) is an extremely dangerous time for any intelligent species. How to continue developing, yet prevent all of the catastrophes we ourselves make possible, here is Noam Chomsky talking about the edge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Axdrh9F3Kqo

      If we already posses dozens, hundreds if not thousands of ingenious ideas to solve every problem known to man, what on earth is stopping us?

      As a conclusion; our real problem is a catastrophic lack of information analyzing capabilities. Our civilization produces more Data then ever
      http://www.economist.com/node/15557443
      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/05/130522085217.htm
      in the history of our species. But as our amount of Data continue to expand, our capabilities to accurately analyze it, as comprehensible information, policy, impacts, investments, remains the same or even diminishes.

      This is why I am trying to develop the way we look at Green Impact Bonds, those could just be the answer we have been looking for, in a number of ways.
      http://climatecolab.org/web/guest/plans/-/plans/contestId/1300401/planId/2404

      – Cheers guys!

    • #8827

      Hi Guys,

      First and foremost sustainability must equal an economy where products and services are produced and consumed so that the equal opposite environmental impact happens. Sustainability is a zero carbon economy + zero environmental footprint economy. Not just greenwashing, not 70%, but a 100% zero footprint, utilizing 100% circular economy, or bioeconomy. If wondering if this is possible at all, well it actually is possible. It is counter-intuitive to us today, but it is the only logical long term solution.

      A 100% zero footprint economy is possible, we can make sure through offsetting environmental impacts with the equal opposite environmental impact, that the sum of all parts is actually zero, and when you think of the human civilization a hundred, or a thousand, years from now, that is actually the only viable, feasible way of organizing an economy (an global civilization, an anthropocene), in the long run.

      It´s counter-intuitive and disrupts the current paradigm of: “consumption is bad” “The human population is too large”. With an environmental impact of true zero, no matter the level of consumption or the amount of population, the environmental impact still remains zero.

      Now, there remains a whole lot to do, because we must be able to analyze, report, consult, review, audit, verify and certify true 100% zero environmental impacts.

      1. We must develop globally legitimate certificates: 100% Green Product/ Service.
      2. We must develop ways of selling/ financing/ distributing/ crowd sourcing R&D/ crowd funding presales and finance/ marketing, these products and services above all other non certified products and services globally. In short, we must disrupt the whole global economy with these certified products and services.

      That is Sustainability; the disruption of the whole global economy as we know it today.

      – Cheers!

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